WTO FWD's
Your welcome. Well I agree with what everyone is saying today. I fully
believe we should help those whom are poor more so. Luckily, I attend a
church that helps those who need help. I believe a true christian
should go out of there way. Regardless, if the person in need is
christian or not. By our actions others could be won over. We could
witness through our actions, not necessarily always words. But if asked
then we give credit where credit is due, JESUS CHRIST, our
SAVIOUR!!!!!!!!! Well brothers and sisters in CHRIST, this sister is
gonna hit the bed. Have a wonderful weekend. Smile, what a wonderful
day, that the LORD has made.
Sending sunshine smiles and rainbow hugs.
Jay, (you may share this with the list if you wish)
As I read all of the responses on the WTO situation, I also had
an
uneasiness in my spirit about what I was hearing in the responses. I'm
not
saying that there wasn't truth in them, but somehow, we seemed to be
missing
the big picture. And that is not spoken in any sort of condemnation,
but
simply to say that I would like to add some more to it. Different
people have
different gifts, and it is given to those who are "watchers on the
wall" to
have a greater vision, to see farther and wider than others and then to
convey
what it is they are seeing for the edification of the body. Others will
then
take that information and act on it or lead the people in what actions
to
take, based on what God then shows them.
I'm not trying to offend anyone here, and up to this point
have been
silent in the discussions, preferring to simply listen and see how this
was
going to work, but I believe that until the memo which was forwarded
from
Cliff, (gtpatt@juno.com) none of the responses really addressed the
issue at
hand, as seen through the eyes of the Lord. While each of them carried
truth,
none seemed to have a grasp of the overall picture. With a few minor
exceptions, Cliff's note did. I strongly agree with most of what he
said,
especially:
"what the Lord told Ezekiel, that HE is not willing that ANY perish.
During
His earthly ministry, Jesus only went where He saw the Father leading,
did
only what He saw the Father doing, said onlt what He heard the Father
saying.Jesus loves the saved and unsaved alike...He died for us all.
He died
for those in bondage..those who are not. Those who are sick, those who
are
well."
This is the true image of Jesus and what we should be pressing in for.
Paul
said that (Philippians 3:14) "I press toward the mark for the prize of
the
high calling of God in Christ Jesus." What he was pressing towards
here, is
sonship, in which we truly become transformed into His image. This
allows us
to love ALL, because we see them, sinner and saint alike through His
eyes and
His eyes LOVE ALL HIS CREATION. If we do not have this revelation of
the
Father's heart, then we don't see the whole picture yet. I also like
what was
said about "christian love" and the Blood of Jesus................
I disagree that "Christian Love" is a struggle to remove sin from the
world.The
BLOOD of JESUS ONLY can do that.PERIOD.
To be like Jesus, as he was like the Father is "true christian love." My
final
comment is concerning the following statement.
"If any prophet has an activist spirit I daresay it came not from the
Lord of
Hosts, but either from his own pride
or the lord of this present world."
This is a dangerous presumption to make. I don't believe any of
us are
in a place yet where we can know the depths of anothers heart and what
the
Lord is
telling them. Only the Father knows what is in the hearts of each of us,
so to
make a statement that what someone is feeling/hearing/doing etc. is
from the
enemy,
is to place oneself at the place which brought about the fall of man to
begin
with, "and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." If you do not
agree
with what
someone is doing/saying, then you must release that to the Lord, give it
to
Him, His Wisdom and His Grace and His Mercy. I'll say it again, I don't
believe that any
of us are at a place where we can KNOW the heart of men. Our focus
should be in
loving the Lord and all that is His. This comes from knowing Him (not
about
Him),
hearing and obeying Him. That is true love and if we are to be
transformed into
His image, then we will be transformed into perfect love. In this, we
cannot
fail. Amen.
Grace, Love and Mercy to All, Gil
Jay,
You wrote:
Anyway, the first to respond was someone that
I have known for a while:
"Take me off your chat mailing list. Thank you."
See, the issue here is not false doctrines, rather, the issue is getting
people from the outer court to the Holy Place. Once this happens all the
false doctrines that operate in the outer court will have no effect
because
the eyes of their hearts will be illuminated by the fire from the golden
candlestick and their food will be shewbread. The outer court is open
and
has only "natural" light as illumination. No wonder christians are
deceived.
We could discuss the "issues" for all eternity but if we would set our
heart to lead a person to Holy Place were the Holy spirit teaches them
all
things then false doctrines are a mute issue because they cannot stand
in
that place.
1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you,
and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing
teacheth
you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath
taught
you, ye shall abide in him.
Maybe this person doesn't hate activism but rather knows were the real
battle lies. The bible says the whole world will be deceived. Why?
Because
given a choice of staying were they are unprotected or entering into the
cleft of the ROCK they choose to stay in the outer court. So Jay if you
can use this discussion list to stir up hearts on how to "enter in" you
will be miles ahead of trying to expose false doctrines. In the Holy
Place
no false doctrine exists because all things are brought to light in His
presence.
Jim
(regarding what was written of that): "Jesus did not participate in such events
even though the atrocities and injustices of His day
were apparent."
Amen to what Brian wrote, and to what Jay wrote, because it also must be
remembered that in our blessed Lord 's time on this earth there was an
underground movement
of Zealots who advocated violently overthrowing the one world world trade
organization of
Rome, it ended in the destruction of the Temple and Masada. There is no evidence
that our
Lord participated in any way in this movement. There were issues of that day
that we can see
from the texts of the New Testament that aligned themselves with the early
church issues
(possibly such as the casting out of the money changers and the WTO folks sure
resemble
them, but not as much as some of the televangeists that have schemed their money
from the
poor and deluded then spent it on sin), but it must be said and realized that
those single issues
did not overcome the early church into promulgating non-cooperation with the
regime of
Rome, (the most autocratic and awful regime that the world had seen probably
until the 20th
Century) until it came down to the worshiping of the emperor. The zealots parted
company with
that nonviolent doctrine early on. And some of the zealots were part of the
early church and
were won over to our blessed Savior's most excellent Way of Love. All of these
points are well
taken, I may be wrong, but we are a distance from being forced into worshiping
anybody's
emperor. After writing this I realize the persecuted church is forced to deny
Christ every day
and it is the same thing. And prayer being taken out of the schools in an
autocratic way is
somewhat similar. And things could change literally overnight and this vigilance
is needed. And I
fully realize that throwing out our environmental laws and labor bargaining
rights is accepting a
kind of worship of a man made idol of wealth (i.e. mammon). I also fully realize
that both in the
culture of American life being poor is somewhat of a crime. This has crept into
the American
church as well and there is little done in the evangelical arena for the Gospel
for the poor. I live
in an area where there is hunger and poverty and the wealthy Churches do very
little or nothing
to feed the hungry, poor and sick. EVeryone expects the government to do that
even if some of
the poor and sick and hungry are in their own congregations. I know a brother
that has
dedicated his life to preaching and housing and helping homeless men into
recovery in Christ
Jesus. Most of the churches around the valley I live in won't even let him put
up fundraising
information on their bulletin boards! There is a religious spirit that allows an
aspersion to be cast
upon the poor that they are that way because of some sin in there life. I fell
through the cracks
of a system (two surgeries in the last year and not being able to work) and no
help from social
service agencies at all and I have a young son, and I was helped by the church
and brothers in
our wonderful Lord and Savior, we must praise Him endlessly, and God is so
faithful always,
(I've made it through this trial and my faith is strengthened by it and I'm
praising Him more
because of it) but we are meant to take care of those laying in the ditch and
not to walk by,
there are a lot of us that walk by if there isn't a label of "born again " put
on those whom we
should help, just like the good samaritan parable and just like that parable
there are those with
the right action and the right vigilance who are seemingly unaligned with the
Kingdom.. We have
to be very careful. The enemy of our enemy may be our friend but only for a
season. Yet we
can overcome this worry by Love and love only, for we are all nothing without
love for one
another. I thank the Lord for vigilance of caring brothers like Jay Atkinson
and Brian. I pray to
our Lord Jesus to forgive those of us who are so uncaring and lost as to be
asleep to the needs
and dilemmas of those so much more unfortunate than ourselves. And I pray for
wisdom for all
of us in these uncertain times. Please forgive us and give us a heart for grace
and action led by
Your Holy Grace our Father in Heaven may we see Your will on earth during these
times. In
Jesus our precious Savior. James Kelly
December 10, 1999
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