Manifest Sons and the Wilderness
Today as I was putting together the prophetic and teaching articles for
the Five-Fold Today column that I am doing, I noticed something very
significant in what the Lord is saying. Six out of the ten submissions I
published had to do with the wilderness/desert experience. I have also
just finished a book on the Wilderness experience by one of the members
of this group, Paul Weigel, and I would like to recommend it for all of
you to order and read. It is called A Journey In The Wilderness:
Becoming Fruitful In The Kingdom. It is a great study of the steps
necessary to walk in the spirit and live a sanctified life. Review it at
http://www.theforerunner.net.
As I struggle with the idea of the manifest sons making their appearance
in us as part of the remnant church, I also realize that we said the
same things about the man-child of revelation. These are both separate
controversial issues but yet, it may be exactly the same thing. Is this
the corporate Jesus that many have spoken of as the reality of His
many-membered body filling the earth as a prelude to, or even the
fulfillment of the Second Coming? I haven't always felt this way but it
came about through study and from dialectic discussion and observation
in the prophetic. I believe that many of the things that occurred during
Jesus' first appearance here on earth foreshadows what will happen to
the remnant church during the Second Coming. That wilderness experience
that Jesus went through came after His baptism and included being
tempted of the devil. It also parallels the time of the children of
Israel in the Sinai, which is taught as an example for us. We are also
being taught that the river is about to flow and the desert will
blossom. That river comes in stages, up to our ankles, up to our knees,
until we are completely immersed in it.
We are being prepared to enter into the Promised Land but as promised,
much sifting and purging and "many trials and tribulations" must occur
before we get into the kingdom. We may be in that wilderness stage now
as a group or as individuals. For myself, I am praying that this is over
for me. Others are thinking it to be also over for them but there will
be many attempts on the life of the man-child and we should understand
that this sifting and purging is necessary as we grow unto the measure
of the stature of the fullness of Christ. If these things are true, then
we are definitely in a growth period right now and still have much work
ahead of us.
The responses this time are super and show a single-mindedness.
Mentioned is the battle, the sifting, the cleansing, empowering,
restoration and opposition. Several were personal and words of
encouragement for the silence in heaven part that I wrote. I do need to
work on the manifest sons essay. There was a mention from someone that
it sounds like I have been hurt. While this was true during the period
that I was putting this together, I had hoped to not let this influence
show, I don't see it, which means I need work on it. It is mentioned
that this is just the tip of the iceberg and also that it is more than
just the appearance of the last day prophets and apostles and the rest
in unity in these last days, so I would like us all to dig a little
deeper.
There were a lot of you that went to the manifest sons essay in the last
several days but many didn't.
http://latter-rain.com/escha/manifestsons.htm . We have mork work to do,
what more do we have to say? Let's hear what you think. Are the manifest
sons the same as the Bride or sent to prepare the Bride? There is a
"manifest sons doctrine" that our enemies accuse us of preaching. What
is it? How much influence is the five-fold exerting in your church? Any?
I teach this stuff in my Mother's church and get "I am too busy to be
interested in that stuff." This seems like what they will be saying when
the wedding guests are invited. Is that what we are saying, that the
wedding feast is already prepared? Some of us are indeed ready and even
impatient. I went out in the streets years ago and the Lord sent me back
into my cave in the wilderness where I stumbled frequently from home and
had to go through the fire.
Many are ready now to go into the streets. A while back on the
discussion of pastors, Bill asked "Do we really need churches today?"
This is a valid question considering many churches are still worshiping
with business as usual and the dissatisfied are meeting more and more in
the homes (which could also be considered out in the byways). Personally
I do not think that the remnant Bride is ready yet, what do you think?
Jay
Dear Jay;
Your words have encouraged me many times. Hang in there...the best is
yet
to come!
I may sound like a poet when I share this, but this is the way I heard
it. We are in a time of
preparation and separation. A time of equipping and a time of stripping.
A shaking is taking
place within the body. Throughout history, the body of Christ has been
put through shakings
of one sort or another. But, this is a different kind of shaking than
what I have seen from the
past days of revival and awakenings. The time of His return is drawing
VERY NEAR. There
has been a lot of playing within the ranks, and it must stop. The
shaking will leave
NOTHING untouched. It is to test everything about your walk and your
character. I see and
experience this move not only at the homefront, but abroad. There is
much work that must be
done, but there is some times of equipping that must come first. A time
to be taught and
tested. We must be striped away of all thing that do not agree with and
totally back up His
divine Word. The teaching is to advance our wisdom and knowledge to a
place to where we
can stand alone upon the watchtower, and point out all manner of false
doctrine that will and
is brought about by false teachers. What does everyone feel on this?
In Christ's faithful service,
May I jump in just for one thought, before you end the evangelism
thread....
I would like to say that I have never understood something that just NOW
came
perfectly clear to me.... this 'clarity' happened when the Lord released
His
servants to go forth into the highways and byways to call out for His
beloveds... those who have His Seed in them, (although the Seed is
hidden and
not apparent to the carnal 'eye' at all)
Servants of Love have been sent forth to call out the beloveds of His --
to
come now and be delivered from all that has kept them in bondage. There
has
been awakened a greater 'sensitivity'... an awareness, an attentive
'listening' ... to hear His Choosing, His Calling-Out... and when HE
says,
'this is one of My beloveds, then the servant of Love is empowered and
anointed
to do the cleansing, freeing, delivering that is necessary for this
beloved of
His to come free from every bondage they are held captive to. There is
no
question, no matter how bound they are, they will go free, for He has
chosen
them to go free NOW. It is the time of Freedom and Love, cleansing and
maturing
of many who have absolutely no outward appearance of belonging to
Christ, yet
He declares they belong to Him.
Their hearts are ready, for it is LOVE which crosses all the barriers
and walls
that have separated them from their Lord, and their hearts are ready for
Love.
The 'evangelism' that I see happening is completely Holy Spirit
directed, as
the Lord calls forth first for the captives that belong to Him. The
solid
foundation of the Kingdom, is that "He knows those who belong to Him"
and
"Those who confess His Name, must turn away from all wickedness"
He is taking back "the booty" the enemy thinks he has stolen, but
nothing
created can separate any of those who belong to Him, from the Love of
God in
Christ Jesus which has been released to 'evangel'... to speak the Glad
Tidings
of the KINGDOM, which is FREEDOM for all captives! Servants have been
sent
forth now, clothed in Love, clothed in Christ, with the "specific
authority" to
seek and to save that which was lost... scanning through an entire crowd
of
people, the Spirit of God will focus His Love in you upon one... as He
declares
to your heart, 'this is My beloved'... gather her/him into the
Love-fold.
Nothing can stop this Freedom from happening just as His Sovereign Will
and the
predetermine councils of Heaven have so declared it to happen! IT is
time to
speak the Gospel of the Kingdom to the hearts that have been prepared to
receive it!
one bondservant of Love,
Jay, I hear you LOUD AND CLEAR. The basis of what you are discussing is
why I
can't sit in a church for hours to continue to hear what I already know.
We
need to be out on the streets and the hedges and highways ministering to
those
who are "sick" and don't know Christ in the pardon of their sins. Why
continue to talk to people who aren't in need of a physician? Jesus says
"the
more we speak to others about HIM, the more we stay saved ourselves".
The
work is out in the streets. It only seems that we should meet together
at
church to share testimonies and of how we brought others to Christ. Even
we
could, make a list of things to go out and do according to our stage or
ability in the "word" and target areas to start in and taken this world
by
storm, one city at a time! The only problem is that some pastors won't
come
into the agreement to let their congregation go on the outside to do
these
things even though it is required of us as disciples to do so. Some
pastors
feel they must have complete control over their church(es) and what the
people in their churches do. For example, my pastor knows I'm a
Prophetess,
he calls me that but, when I asked him for some type of permission to
get and
I.D. to be able to go into the hospitals, resthomes, neighborhoods, etc.
so
that I would be I.D'ed as a minister and wouldn't get in trouble, he
brushed
it off with some type of excuse. I'm tired of having to sit back and not
be
able to officially be able to do the things that need to be done in the
body
of Christ because I need this or that from someone! It makes me angry!
This
is why in my city, there is a church on almost every corner and it
shouldn't
be! It's spiritual bondage going on and people aren't buying it anymore!
People want to be free to serve God I don't care who is watching for
your
soul! Jay please correct me if I have the wrong idea about things
because
when it comes to Christ, I sometime my get "up in the air" a little bit
because of these so called "Christians". That's why I want to be free
and
feel free in Christ! In most churches, at some point I began to feel
"bound
up" like presently, it seems I just can't seem to get myself back into
my
church. They have a vision to target certain types of people and I don't
share that vision. I see little or no growth happening in the church
and.....
it being preached in a sense that it is ok to continue to sin and let
God
clean you? Not telling them they have to have a "will" inside to want to
stop
their sin! God forbid! or, Telling a congregation that you believe that
you
can pray for a person's soul after they die and they can make it into
heaven!
God Forbid! What is the point then of us converting our sinful lives if
we
can just ask someone to " pray for me when I die, so I can continue to
sin on
earth but make it into heaven anyway with out being "born again". That's
like
calling God's "word" a lie. Can you believe it? I even began [sinning]
again because of what he said to me about letting God clean me up and
take
[sin] from me but I realized according to the "word" that something
wasn't right about that and I stopped and asked for forgiveness and help
to
stop doing what I was but, I had to have a "will" within myself to want
to
stop. Jay, it's so much going on, but I'm leaning on the everlasting arm
of
the Lord to see me through. Continue to pray for me, and I pray for
you!
Jay,
Your report concerning the Manifest Sons of God is powerful, to say the
least - but it is only the tip of the iceberg. Inside each and every
one of
us grows the Kingdom of Heaven. Each day it grows, until the birth
takes
place. The outpouring of love and power such as the world has never
seen
before is about to explode upon these times, for there is much
corruption
and evil upon us. Continue to do your part, Jay. We are receiving your
water. I stand in prayer with you.
Bill Caraway
Jay,
Every Son of God is our brother. This is an obvious truth but
one that
escapes us at every turn. The Lord has shown me that we must be able to
praise God alongside any brother or sister, even those who oppose us.
This is the one tactic Satan cannot oppose. Jesus said of those who
serve him, "I send you as sheep in the midst of wolves." This army is
to be unlike any before it, an army of sheep to fight against the
wolves. The world sows dissension, anger and bitterness, but the work
of the Lord is to pray for those who persecute us and build up those who
wish to tear us down. Our Lord was wise as a serpent, knowing what his
enemies had planned, but gentle as a lamb, refusing to repay his enemies
evil for evil.
The greatest challenge that we face is the fact that wherever
Christians come together in a group, even for the purpose of unity, that
group can become divisive. Even the five-fold ministry can become a
doctrine. There will be those called to unity who differ even on these
matters yet who are not schismatic or divisive. The key will be
recognizing the body of Christ as the greatest truth, to which all else
is subordinate, and accepting these ones as fellow workers.
Our father has sons about whom we have never even heard.
Eventually we
will meet them and be tested in whether or not we recognize them as
brothers. In the last year, I was called into the Lord's Recovery, also
known as the Local Churches. I do not mean to advertise a particular
group - the Lord calls us to wherever he wishes - but it has been a
great blessing to fellowship with and learn from a group of brothers who
are trying to be simply the body of Christ and to build up the true
Church. Then I find the five-fold ministries working to the same goal.
Neither group is a denomination, even though there is always the problem
of human weakness. I have found myself wondering what will happen when
the Lord brings all of us together, whether we will put aside our
differences and be of one spirit. I trust that our Lord and head will
arrange things according to his plan.
Eric
Jay, I was particularly struck with the importance of this message. I
confirm
it altogether. I have read your treatise on the manifest sons. I believe
that
I have some things to add to what you say, but I need a bit more time to
put
them together.
I know what you must be experiencing in terms of condemnation,
accusation,
etc. We went violent attacks from many church people in Indonesia when
we
began to propagate end-time truth. At times the opposition seemed almost
unbearable. I remember one time I was feeling the great force of the
spiritual opposition. I thought about the power that we have for binding
and
loosing and felt that the opposition was putting me into this kind of
bondage. But at that moment, some of my friends reminded me that they
also
had the power to bind or loose. They said that it did not matter that we
were
a small group and the accusers were many. We were on the Lord's side and
that they could easily release me. They spoke a simple word of command
for my
release. From that moment on, I was free and did not worry any more
about
what men said. Eventually, those who opposed and were causing divisions
ceased. Many of them now are promoting the very things they were
opposing
then. As a result of the present heavy persecution in the country from
violent men of another religion, the churches are uniting and getting a
vision for the perfection of the Church. They are willingly sacrificing
their
lives for the Gospel, and the Christians are gaining the victory.
Now, in the name of Jesus, I speak release to you. You will no longer be
influenced or bound in any way by the opposers. They will have no power
over
you. You will be free to hear the Lord's voice accurately and proclaim
His
word with boldness. In this country, many Christians are opening their
eyes
and ears to what God is saying and doing. This will increase.
Eventually, as
the Christians begin to act in New Testament ways, persecution will
increase
from those of other religious persuasions. When the persecution becomes
heavy
and people start dying for their faith, the churches will come together
in
unity, will learn how to do effective spiritual warfare, and will become
powerful witnesses for their faith by their lives, their words, and
their
sacrifice.
I am an old man and would like to live in comfort and ease, but I know
that
God's plan has to work out. I know that things have to get worse before
they
get better and that God will give us grace to suffer what we have to and
thus
to see His glory and victory manifested.
In His love,
August 6, 2000
I don't want to make this long. I believe the Lord has spoken these
things
to me over the past 3 years.
1) The dark will get darker, but in measure, His Spirit will shine
brighter.
And then He said something in a way that caused courage to swell in my
heart, with no fear...He said "Let the games begin."
I knew clearly from this that we could enter this battle without fear,
because the faith that grows in us from seeing Him move in powerful ways
will overcome our fears.
2) Man looks at the outward appearance, God looks at the heart.
3) In reference to number two, it seems that the feast is ready, and
those
who were too busy were asked but did not want to break away from their
own
"thing" so God wants us to go to the "unlovely" in the world's eyes.
The
passed-by people. Hospitals, prisons, blue-collar workers, wherever,
and
love them into wholeness. It is not an instant thing....this kind of
love
takes time and perseverance, and we simply cannot do it if we have an
agenda of our own. We can not put this kind of love into many....only a
few
at a time.
all this to say, I do agree and am hearing the same things as you. I am
a
worship leader who builds teams, loving each other, laying down
competition
and jealousy that we may enter into God's presence as one. I started
doing
this at my home church, and through some sovereign circumstances too
numerous to go into here, am now actively involved in team building in 3
other churches, 2 of which are small churches, 1 a plant, and the other,
my
new home base, is the largest church in my town. The battle has been
strong
since the large church in America is so often run like a business, and
not a
church at all. But, through many trials in our lives, God has indeed
made
us able for the battle, love-warriors if you will, to be wise and
gentle,
open and strategic, and listening for His every command. Nothing like
this
life!
carol manglos
enoch777
Linda the Beguine
Yours in Christ, Thomasine
As I stand here on the front lines with the word of the Lord upon my
heart,
I hear what you're saying, my brother in Christ. The silence in heaven
that
you hear is the sound of the gathering of the winds which will rush down
and
bring forth the truth upon the ears of the people. The call to action
in
which you so diligently tell us to heed is also upon that wind.
Mightier
than the light of the sun and much more serene than the glow of the moon
is
the power that is about to manifest itself upon us in the coming days.
Yes, there is silence in the eye of the storm. And as you have revealed
to
us what you have gone through, we need only glance at the story of the
Prophet Elijah and of how after he revealed the false prophets and
priests
of baal to the people of Israel he was forced to hide. But God, in His
own
way showed Elijah, like He is showing you, that in the end, after the
firestorms, earthquakes and other forms of powerful upheavals, He comes
to
us softly, with a still, small, voice. A sound which can only be heard
by
the Manifest Sons of God!
Who are the Manifest Sons? We are all sons of God, but do we
manifest
the glory of God? Jesus seemed to many to be just a man, but in the
transfiguration, he manifested his divine nature. The work of salvation
is to lead many sons into glory. The manifest sons are those whose
robes are washed white in the blood. Blessed are they who are called to
the marriage supper of the Lamb. You are right in saying that we must
have the cross as our subjective experience as well as the objective
reality. Otherwise we are merely pardoned criminals and freed slaves.
To be the manifest sons, we must not only accept Jesus' death and
resurrection, we must live Jesus' death and resurrection, dying on the
cross and rising to eternal life. The branch is part of the vine, and
the two grow together so as to be one organism.
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